What’s truly “missing” from the Further Listening discs?

[Dog]

Rough rules? Hmmm… plenty of room to paint yourself out of a corner if necessary. Not that this is a bad thing; however, where do "rough rules" end and "anything goes" begin? Maybe where art stops and commerce begins?

I think it just gives them the license to have the final say.

[Leonidas]

Chris: What is "master quality"?! If Neil doesn't like it, it's not master quality

Exactly.

[retrofuturist]

Greetings,

Having made the decision to make Nightlife a 3CD edition, they missed a massive opportunity by not including more of the Closer To Heaven demos that didn't make their way to the main album. You've Got To Start Somewhere is the obvious example.

For a Further Listening disc to have so much unused capacity seems so wrong.

Retro.

[Dog]

Greetings,

Having made the decision to make Nightlife a 3CD edition, they missed a massive opportunity by not including more of the Closer To Heaven demos that didn't make their way to the main album. You've Got To Start Somewhere is the obvious example.

For a Further Listening disc to have so much unused capacity seems so wrong.

Retro.

Maybe they didn’t include You’ve got to start somewhere because they still think they might one day work on it further.

[daveid]

Greetings,

Having made the decision to make Nightlife a 3CD edition, they missed a massive opportunity by not including more of the Closer To Heaven demos that didn't make their way to the main album. You've Got To Start Somewhere is the obvious example.

For a Further Listening disc to have so much unused capacity seems so wrong.

Retro.

Maybe they didn’t include You’ve got to start somewhere because they still think they might one day work on it further.

YGTSS was repurposed for TMIT I think - that's maybe why they didn't include it.

Anyway they obviously left off things they didn't want to include (and of course A little black dress couldn't make the cut for royalties reasons)

[StevePSB]

Maybe it's time for super deluxe. Lots of bands are doing it. Ultravox's latest album reissue is 7 CD's and 1 DVD.


StevePSB

[Pinhead44]

With the versions of the songs, where they has been fully remixed by someone other than PSB, wouldn't this be a bit more tricky with publishing rights though ? Or if the publishing is just showing as Cage Music/10 music, as is on the Marshall Jefferson / Brothers In Rhthmn remixes on the Being Remixed 12", this wouldn't cause any issues I assume, as that was just the same as nearly all the pre-X2 releases ?

[Old Soak]

Two pages and barely a track mentioned which suggests they've got it largely right, demos aside?

As for Super Deluxe - no. They've released most worthy stuff, in many cases multiple times already. That's just a fleece the fans option, and usually where there are multiple takes rather than several mixes. I think their process is largely do a multitrack demo then that gets polished/altered, not keep recording stuff over and again until happy as in analogue days.

I'll mention the Montage mixes though.

[Ramzy]

Two pages and barely a track mentioned which suggests they've got it largely right, demos aside?

In their quest to avoid too many mixes of the same song they ended up with some strange omissions - the single mixes of 'Always on my mind' and 'Was it worth it?' among them. I'm surprised no one has mentioned what was once an obsession of this forum, the 7" mix of 'Seriously' (yes, it was done by Brothers in Rhythm, but they found loophole reasons to include just about every other 7" remix, including 'I wouldn't normally...', 'Yesterday, when I was mad' and even 'A red letter day'). At least one of the extended mixes of 'This must be the place'. The swing version of 'Can you forgive her?'. The live tracks they actually mixed and mastered for CD release as part of single packages in 1999 and 2002. The single mix or piano mix of 'London'. The (superior) PopArt version of 'Flamboyant'. Any of the Most Incredible Thing demos. There's plenty of others!

[andmaste]

Why can't we have a dvd-br upgrade of "Casting a shadow" video?

[Dog]

With the versions of the songs, where they has been fully remixed by someone other than PSB, wouldn't this be a bit more tricky with publishing rights though ? Or if the publishing is just showing as Cage Music/10 music, as is on the Marshall Jefferson / Brothers In Rhthmn remixes on the Being Remixed 12", this wouldn't cause any issues I assume, as that was just the same as nearly all the pre-X2 releases ?

A remixer wouldn’t retain any rights over a track. They will most likely just have received a flat fee.

[Dog]

Two pages and barely a track mentioned which suggests they've got it largely right, demos aside?

In their quest to avoid too many mixes of the same song they ended up with some strange omissions - the single mixes of 'Always on my mind' and 'Was it worth it?' among them. I'm surprised no one has mentioned what was once an obsession of this forum, the 7" mix of 'Seriously' (yes, it was done by Brothers in Rhythm, but they found loophole reasons to include just about every other 7" remix, including 'I wouldn't normally...', 'Yesterday, when I was mad' and even 'A red letter day'). At least one of the extended mixes of 'This must be the place'. The swing version of 'Can you forgive her?'. The live tracks they actually mixed and mastered for CD release as part of single packages in 1999 and 2002. The single mix or piano mix of 'London'. The (superior) PopArt version of 'Flamboyant'. Any of the Most Incredible Thing demos. There's plenty of others!

Thanks Ramzy! I knew I would be able to count on you.

I guess they considered the 7” versions of Always on my mind and Was it worth it? unnecessary given the presence of the 12” extended versions. And that they were represented on Discography. Seriously 7” definitely feels like an omission - and I agree that they had the loophole they needed given they added overdubs to the Brothers In Rhythm remix (“gotta have funk”). The swing version of Can you forgive her? is kind of Richard Niles and Neil, although that hasn’t stopped them including If love were all, which is the same. I’m glad they didn’t feel they needed to include live tracks. London piano version is a good shout, as is the original of Flamboyant, particularly given they included the demo.

[lalolalo]

given they added overdubs to the Brothers In Rhythm remix (“gotta have funk”).

Oh my GOD!!! does it really say "gotta have funk"!!??
I've always thought it said "gotta have fun"!!!

Since, you know, real musicians and not those who cannot be taken seriously gotta find joy on what they do. I thought it was a sincere pub statement as they said in literally music is about "entertainment and self expression".
But it makes sense the other way. I mean not being a sincere statement but rather one supposed artists (Subjects of the song) would say.
Oh, I'm a little bit disappointed, actually.

And, on subject, have you seen the cringey reel of Bono singing Happy birthday to Michael Douglas?
Man that guy keeps fitting How can you expect to be taken seriously?? even 35 years later.

[Dog]

given they added overdubs to the Brothers In Rhythm remix (“gotta have funk”).

Oh my GOD!!! does it really say "gotta have funk"!!??
I've always thought it said "gotta have fun"!!!

Since, you know, real musicians and not those who cannot be taken seriously gotta find joy on what they do. I thought it was a sincere pub statement as they said in literally music is about "entertainment and self expression".
But it makes sense the other way. I mean not being a sincere statement but rather one supposed artists (Subjects of the song) would say.
Oh, I'm a little bit disappointed, actually.

And, on subject, have you seen the cringey reel of Bono singing Happy birthday to Michael Douglas?
Man that guy keeps fitting How can you expect to be taken seriously?? even 35 years later.

I’m afraid so! You’re in good company though - apparently Smash Hits got it wrong as well. From Literally 6:

[Leonidas]

given they added overdubs to the Brothers In Rhythm remix (“gotta have funk”).

Oh my GOD!!! does it really say "gotta have funk"!!??
I've always thought it said "gotta have fun"!!!

Since, you know, real musicians and not those who cannot be taken seriously gotta find joy on what they do. I thought it was a sincere pub statement as they said in literally music is about "entertainment and self expression".
But it makes sense the other way. I mean not being a sincere statement but rather one supposed artists (Subjects of the song) would say.
Oh, I'm a little bit disappointed, actually.

And, on subject, have you seen the cringey reel of Bono singing Happy birthday to Michael Douglas?
Man that guy keeps fitting How can you expect to be taken seriously?? even 35 years later.

Yep - we’re in the same boat on this one.