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#121 Post by PSBForTheMasses »

There should be some emojis like "like", "laugh" or "anrgy" ones. There are occassionally really good posts that one wishes to applaud.

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#122 Post by IRONFLAME.de »

Parkol wrote: Sun 11 Feb 2024, 1:35 pmI was born in a country where there was no pornography, no prostitution, no drugs, no violence and blood on the screen, although, of course, there was all that. There were prostitutes, drug addicts and murderers, rapists, bribe-takers in the USSR, and they brought porn on video cassettes from Europe. It just wasn't shown everywhere. The state made sure that the average person did not come across it
"i WAS born..."
"there WAS no..."
"there WERE"
"it just WASN'T..."
"the state MADE sure..."
"it WAS all in the..."

...have you ever thought about not living in the past anymore? ;​) Since those ancient times you just referenced, 33 (!) years have passed. In between there was VHS and betaMax, videorental, then DVD. Cable TV, nocturnal "erotic-hotlin"e ads on TV. Then mobile phones, mobile computers. The internet,YouTube and its pornographic twinservices. Streaming, smartphones & tablets with flatrates,...
I don't know what kind of notes they stick in what holes.
well you saw the video. they exchanged notes, like primary school pupils would exchange messages under their desks
I'm an Orthodox man. But that's not even the point.
It seems to be exactly the point >
"Orthodoxy is often used to describe a doctrine that is perceived as particularly backward-looking and hostile to reform, especially from a modern, enlightened point of view."

One glorifies the supposedly better times of the past, everything that doesn't fit into this pre-gone image is then painted in exaggeratedly negative colours:
"vulgarity"
"naturalism"
"trivialise"
"pornography"
"prostitution"
"drugs"
"violence"
"blood on the screen"
"prostitute"
"drug addict"
"murderers"
"rapists"
"bribe-takers"
"blatant"
"vulgar"
...and then, in binary black-and-white thinking or "all-or-nothing" thinking, you oppose it with:
"decent"
"light"
"spiritual feeling"
"the average person"
"soul"
"tactful"
"organic"
But the world is anything but just black and white. There are an infinite number of shades of grey and COLOURS between these two poles.
Live and let live, what's so hard about that? You don't like it when men kiss? Then don't kiss a man. Against abortion? Then don't have one. Against "gayness" in music videos? Then don't watch any more clips of these two old queers, who after all were already behind Domino Dancing and Being Boring...
Everyone needs love, but this clip doesn't reflect that
fyi The single is called 'Loneliness', not 'Love' ;​)
I didn't see any love there.
I see lots of AFFECTION, Being in LOVE, FRIENDSHIP, JOY,...in this video:

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The video is almost 6 MINUTES long, but all some people can see are these 6 SECONDS of cruising-"gayness [sic]":

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Nicholas wrote: Sun 11 Feb 2024, 12:36 pm
Nickname wrote: Sun 11 Feb 2024, 12:15 pm
misterme wrote: Sun 11 Feb 2024, 10:27 am Oversexualized video?
Please take a moment to watch the Troye Sivan "Rush" music video, just to get an update on what you can get nowadays.
The Loneliness video looks quite tame in comparison...
Of course, you'll find more oversexualized videos than this one but it doesn't me this one is one of them. The problem is not about this video, the problem is when you see that in some many videos from PSB again and again. It shows you a big lack of ideas.

Gayness, sex, naked boys, etc (Domino Dancing, Being Boring, Was it worth it?, Go West, I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing, Before, SAVE, A Red Letter Day, Paninaro '95, I don't know what you want but I can't give it any more, New York city boy, Drunk, I Get Along, Winner, Monkey Business, etc) and so on.

‘Gayness’. FFS.

From gay men, you will get ‘gay content’. ‘Gayness’ is not a sub-genre of ‘normal content’. It’s literally their perspective on the world. Neil made a lovely point in the Guardian interview: ‘Today, “everything’s about money, in a weird way, and therefore everything’s mainstream immediately”. Nonetheless, says Tennant, “when you’ve been doing it a long time, you think about what you want. As you get older, I don’t like that idea of giving in.”’

I don’t understand how half these videos fit into those categories anyway. Where is the ‘gayness’ and sexual content in A red letter day? Go West? I don't know what you want but I can't give it any more? Before? For example.

Which PSB videos do you actually like and approve of?
They are making business, like any other pop group of the world (albums, singles, compilations, books, tickets, etc). They earn a lot of money with that and there is nothing wrong with that. They are not different.

But they are creators, they should try to surprise us with new things and this video doesn't give anything new. Even the beginning of it is quite similar to I Get Along.

I prefer the videos who tell something or at least visially creative and interesting to be watched again and again.

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Nicholas wrote: Sun 11 Feb 2024, 12:36 pm
Nickname wrote: Sun 11 Feb 2024, 12:15 pm

Of course, you'll find more oversexualized videos than this one but it doesn't me this one is one of them. The problem is not about this video, the problem is when you see that in some many videos from PSB again and again. It shows you a big lack of ideas.

Gayness, sex, naked boys, etc (Domino Dancing, Being Boring, Was it worth it?, Go West, I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing, Before, SAVE, A Red Letter Day, Paninaro '95, I don't know what you want but I can't give it any more, New York city boy, Drunk, I Get Along, Winner, Monkey Business, etc) and so on.

‘Gayness’. FFS.

From gay men, you will get ‘gay content’. ‘Gayness’ is not a sub-genre of ‘normal content’. It’s literally their perspective on the world. Neil made a lovely point in the Guardian interview: ‘Today, “everything’s about money, in a weird way, and therefore everything’s mainstream immediately”. Nonetheless, says Tennant, “when you’ve been doing it a long time, you think about what you want. As you get older, I don’t like that idea of giving in.”’

I don’t understand how half these videos fit into those categories anyway. Where is the ‘gayness’ and sexual content in A red letter day? Go West? I don't know what you want but I can't give it any more? Before? For example.

Which PSB videos do you actually like and approve of?
They are making business, like any other pop group of the world (albums, singles, compilations, books, tickets, etc). They earn a lot of money with that and there is nothing wrong with that. They are not different.

But they are creators, they should try to surprise us with new things and this video doesn't give anything new. Even the beginning of it is quite similar to I Get Along.

I prefer the videos that tell something or at least videos which are visially creative and interesting to be watched again and again.

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IRONFLAME.de wrote: Sun 11 Feb 2024, 6:55 pm
Computers, tablets, videotapes, phones have nothing to do with morality. They are just technical inventions.

I don't live in the past. People still repeat their mistakes from generation to generation. Only now we have the added pollution of our planet. Plastic in the ocean. The destruction of flora and fauna in large quantities.

Lust has nothing to do with love, with pure feelings. It's not about religion, it's about the moral principles we've been taught since childhood. Man makes his own choice in life, neither the devil nor God make a choice for him.

The Pet Shop Boys have never had such explicit videos before.
They were very sensitive to any topic. Now something has changed. By the way, Chris has always been apolitical and reserved in his views.

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I’m not concerned, or bothered by, any of their output when it comes to their videos that accompany the single releases. But I am a 13 year old fan-boy at heart when single videos are released and all I want to see is my heroes wandering around in different locations either in their civvies or full-on PSB costumes. Give me “I don’t know what you want…”, “Can you forgive her”, “Flamboyant” etc… over “Being Boring”, “I get along”, “Miracles” etc…

I just want to see “the boys”..!
More strobes and BANGING, please!

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#127 Post by Future Lover »

In a way, I'm thankful for this forum. Usually, I'm surrounded by kind-hearted progressives who empathically absorb the world around them, especially those parts alien to them. So in a way, this is a stark reminder that the world is not like that, and in fact, it's only my bubble and the world is actually teeming with regressive morons. Calling a dumb spade a spade here, sorry to the few Devil's advocates who obsess over me. PSB are probably unhappy to have some of you as so-called fans.

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#128 Post by TallThinMan »

Parkol wrote: Mon 12 Feb 2024, 6:58 amThe Pet Shop Boys have never had such explicit videos before.
Have you seen the ‘Being Boring’ video?

I should imagine in this case they chose to work with Alasdair MacLellon because they’d seen something of his work that they’d liked and they gave him complete creative freedom. That tends to be the way they work.

Promo clips are irrelevant now anyway. The days of MTV are long gone.
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#129 Post by Andie »

I think the video is great. I don't have a problem with any of the content! 😎😍
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TallThinMan wrote: Mon 12 Feb 2024, 9:12 am
Parkol wrote: Mon 12 Feb 2024, 6:58 amThe Pet Shop Boys have never had such explicit videos before.
Promo clips are irrelevant now anyway. The days of MTV are long gone.
Quite the contrary as hundreds of millions of views on YouTube indicate. Apart from that they contribute to the overall artistic value of an artist. In this context, PSB haven’t done particularly well in the past 15+ years. So it’s more than welcome that they commissioned someone who knows how to film a proper video clip. Still, it’s true that it adds nothing new to the PSB universe. It looks good, though.

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minimal wrote: Mon 12 Feb 2024, 10:34 am
TallThinMan wrote: Mon 12 Feb 2024, 9:12 am
Parkol wrote: Mon 12 Feb 2024, 6:58 amThe Pet Shop Boys have never had such explicit videos before.
Promo clips are irrelevant now anyway. The days of MTV are long gone.
Quite the contrary as hundreds of millions of views on YouTube indicate. Apart from that they contribute to the overall artistic value of an artist. In this context, PSB haven’t done particularly well in the past 15+ years. So it’s more than welcome that they commissioned someone who knows how to film a proper video clip. Still, it’s true that it adds nothing new to the PSB universe. It looks good, though.

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Parkol wrote: Mon 12 Feb 2024, 6:58 amPeople still repeat their mistakes from generation to generation.
It's not about religion, it's about the moral principles we've been taught since childhood.
Morality was invented by the church.
Luckily in the past century we have learnt to replace their morality that was based on supressing our own selves, our individuality and our freedom with ethical thinking and ethical living. Humanism put the human being, all human beings, in the center, not just the wealthy, the powerful and the self-righteous. Noone is better than or above their neighbour. And just because something has been passed on from generaation to generation doesn't mean it needs to be preserved. Misanthropy, racism, homophobia, etc. all these things were highly morally charged and justified. Luckily our last generation has been more successful than past ones in removing those traits from society. Let's not lose these achievements again so quick. Mighty reactionary and antiliberal forces are working hard these days in re-poisoning our minds again with their venomous ideas of class and race/ethnic differences, sexual identities that they thing don't belong in our definition of what's healthy and normal and what's not. Don't we let them succeed. Human rights should never be negotiable.
Even as progressive minds (something I always hoped PSB fans would have in common) we constantly need to requestion ourselves and see where within our limited possibilities we can act for the better and step forwards not backwards. We'll never all share the same opinions and values but what we can do is keeping those hurtful-to-others differences to ourselves and concentrate on how and where we meet and agree.
....never had such explicit videos before.
"Being boring' has been mentioned to you again and before...
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That visul work of art oozes hedonism, sex and joy and lust for life from ever pore...
The Pet Shop Boys have never had such explicit [...].
[...] very sensitive to any topic.
Oh come on. THE Pet Shop Boys who released those 12" by 12" artworks below to the public? "Never explicit"?? :lol:

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Not even Madonna or Marilyn Manson have been that explicit ever!!

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IRONFLAME.de wrote: Mon 12 Feb 2024, 4:18 pm Morality was invented by the church.
I wrote to you that I was born in the USSR, where there was none of this. I learnt about God late at school. Our schoolchildren used to laugh that there was a man with a beard sitting on a cloud.
So it's inborn. Indians in the Amazon understand perfectly well that you have to take care of nature (I travelled through the jungles of South America (Ecuador, Peru), although they don't have a church there. They hunt howler monkeys and catch fish, yet they oppose oil extraction, realising that it harms the planet.

I've written before that Being Boring is a beautiful and highly artistic music video filmed much better. There is no vulgarity, but beauty. Don't send me screenshots, I know that clip very well.
Bruce has made some great music videos. To this day, it's one of the best videos in the music world.

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Straight_Talker wrote: Mon 12 Feb 2024, 8:00 am I’m not concerned, or bothered by, any of their output when it comes to their videos that accompany the single releases. But I am a 13 year old fan-boy at heart when single videos are released and all I want to see is my heroes wandering around in different locations either in their civvies or full-on PSB costumes. Give me “I don’t know what you want…”, “Can you forgive her”, “Flamboyant” etc… over “Being Boring”, “I get along”, “Miracles” etc…

I just want to see “the boys”..!
True fan. I'm with you.
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Future Lover wrote: Mon 12 Feb 2024, 8:23 am the world is actually teeming with regressive morons.
This is called projection. You're probably the regressive moron and sadly but evidently one of the worst homophobes I've ever come across. I remember the old conversation very well where you slagged down on any kind of homosexual preference except your own. And now you're on about it again. Neither advocate nor devil, merely simple minded. Mind you I have nothing against the video. I love images of great bodies.
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