Flaffer wrote: ↑Fri 14 Apr 2023, 9:06 am
How the heck did Groovy get on Super and not I will fall or The lost room. Their choices baffle me sometimes
Agreed. I think fans care less about album cohesion than artists and critics do, in general. I would prefer the inclusion of an amazing track that is perhaps a bit askew with the theme of an album rather than a merely good track that is more aligned with the vibe. PSB seem a bit too preoccupied with prioritizing album cohesion above all else, often coming at the expense of amazing tracks ("An Open Mind" not appearing on Hotspot, "Always" with Release, and "Shameless" with Very.) I think they've even expressed some regret at relegating "Always" to b-side status.
I don't think anyone other than Stuart Price would have batted an eye at "I Will Fall" if it was on Super, and same with "The Lost Room" (especially with the somewhat dark "The Dictator Decides" being right there.)
Flaffer wrote: ↑Fri 14 Apr 2023, 9:06 am
How the heck did Groovy get on Super and not I will fall or The lost room. Their choices baffle me sometimes
Agreed. I think fans care less about album cohesion than artists and critics do, in general. I would prefer the inclusion of an amazing track that is perhaps a bit askew with the theme of an album rather than a merely good track that is more aligned with the vibe. PSB seem a bit too preoccupied with prioritizing album cohesion above all else, often coming at the expense of amazing tracks ("An Open Mind" not appearing on Hotspot, "Always" with Release, and "Shameless" with Very.) I think they've even expressed some regret at relegating "Always" to b-side status.
I don't think anyone other than Stuart Price would have batted an eye at "I Will Fall" if it was on Super, and same with "The Lost Room" (especially with the somewhat dark "The Dictator Decides" being right there.)
Agree with that but I really believe "Shameles" was a clear opener for "Very". For me, one of their biggest mistakes.
King1 wrote:Totally agree, I will fall instead of Groovy is a no brainer.
Groovy is a perfect fit for Super. It’s brash and unhinged and hyper pop. Rather than Super, I will fall would be a much better fit with the romance of Hotspot.
Nickname wrote: ↑Thu 25 May 2023, 4:23 pm
Agree with that but I really believe "Shameles" was a clear opener for "Very". For me, one of their biggest mistakes.
"Shameless" might be a bit overwhelming for an album opener. You need to prep people a bit before you throw all that high-NRG irony at them. "Can You Forgive Her" is the perfect, concise declarative statement for Very. I would put "Shameless" second from the end, in place of "One In a Million", as a kind of pre-finale before "Go West." Then "One In a Million" could be the b-side of the "Go West" single (which feels correct to me.)
Dog wrote: ↑Thu 25 May 2023, 4:25 pm
Groovy is a perfect fit for Super. It’s brash and unhinged and hyper pop. Rather than Super, I will fall would be a much better fit with the romance of Hotspot.
Yeah I will agree with this. I've always just had a natural resistance to "Groovy" so maybe I need to go back and give it another try.
Neil & Chris suck at album "cohesion". They haven't been able to make a coherent album since... let me see...Well Fundamental was quite coherent and Very of course.
Nickname wrote: ↑Thu 25 May 2023, 4:23 pm
Agree with that but I really believe "Shameles" was a clear opener for "Very". For me, one of their biggest mistakes.
"Shameless" might be a bit overwhelming for an album opener. You need to prep people a bit before you throw all that high-NRG irony at them. "Can You Forgive Her" is the perfect, concise declarative statement for Very. I would put "Shameless" second from the end, in place of "One In a Million", as a kind of pre-finale before "Go West." Then "One In a Million" could be the b-side of the "Go West" single (which feels correct to me.)
It depends on your own taste. For me, taking into account the quite big intro with a "hello" on it, that's a clear opener and Can You Forgive Her? a perfect second track.
