A musical called naked and songs for 2 new albums

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#16 Post by raggatwin »

I've always thought Nickname was gay....
Hello my name is Neil Tennant and I'm Chris Lowe and we're of the Pet Shop Boys.

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…so have I.

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Can we please stick to the facts and acknowledge Nickname being a woman? Thanks.

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#19 Post by daveid »

Maybe nickname can start a new poll to determine if nickname is a man, woman, gay, straight, lesbian or all of the above.

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I know I have many haters waiting here to attack me when they find an excuse. The thing is I don't mind, I know there are many bullies in the world. I know them because I had to suffer them in my childhood but I can face them now.

You can disagree with my opinions but nothing else.

And I really believe it would be a good thing to include nudity for all kind of people in something related to the world of PSB.

After so many videos of Pet Shop Boys with naked and semi-naked boys for almost 4 decades, I think is time to change the rules a bit.

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#21 Post by leesmapman »

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(not really nudity, but there's skin)

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Nickname wrote: Sat 25 Jun 2022, 1:21 pm I know I have many haters waiting here to attack me when they find an excuse. The thing is I don't mind, I know there are many bullies in the world. I know them because I had to suffer them in my childhood but I can face them now.

You can disagree with my opinions but nothing else.

And I really believe it would be a good thing to include nudity for all kind of people in something related to the world of PSB.

After so many videos of Pet Shop Boys with naked and semi-naked boys for almost 4 decades, I think is time to change the rules a bit.
I am strictly against bullying of any kind, so please take this as a neutral, objective, non-attacking question:

In the very likely incident that another interest of yours (be it in the field of music, film, photography, art, or whatever) happened to solely adopt and exhibit female(/heterosexual) nudity, would you demand that this interest of yours also change their point of view a little, after a certain period of time has passed? Or would you, perhaps, just accept it that not everybody has to do everything?

After all, the boys don't owe us anything - not activism, not depictions of anyone or anything. This is their career and their music and, as we have come to notice, there will always be someone disagreeing with what a public artist does/decides. I think it was Lemmy Kilmister (please don't take me for a metalhead, I bumped into this quote by accident after his death) who said that he doesn't make music for others, he makes it for himself, and in case others happen to like it too, "then that's great". And I, personally, understand the idea of that.

We've got both, male and female, models in "Se a vida é" and "Being boring" in next to nothing on, we've got the exotic (again, male and female) dancers on the Discovery tour, we've got many collaborations with female and male artists regardless of how much clothes were the collaborators wearing. I don't see one valid reason to include more female nudity for "equality". That's not Pet Shop Boys' job to do.

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#23 Post by Dog »

The Emperor’s New Clothes only has one naked person in it, and it’s a bloke. That’s all there is to it.
Woof.

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leesmapman wrote: Sat 25 Jun 2022, 1:51 pm Image
(not really nudity, but there's skin)
If you give a second view to this pic, you could see a porno gay scene here. :mrgreen:

I think this pic wasn't a very good choice. :lol:

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Nickname wrote: Sat 25 Jun 2022, 3:09 pm
leesmapman wrote: Sat 25 Jun 2022, 1:51 pm Image
(not really nudity, but there's skin)
If you give a second view to this pic, you could see a porno gay scene here. :mrgreen:

I think this pic wasn't a very good choice. :lol:

I give up. I just give up.. :wall: :wall: :wall:
There is beauty in ugliness and ugliness in beauty.

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Synclavier wrote: Sat 25 Jun 2022, 2:08 pm
We've got both, male and female, models in "Se a vida é" and "Being boring" in next to nothing on, we've got the exotic (again, male and female) dancers on the Discovery tour, we've got many collaborations with female and male artists regardless of how much clothes were the collaborators wearing. I don't see one valid reason to include more female nudity for "equality". That's not Pet Shop Boys' job to do.
It's unfair.

You can't even compare the way male bodies were represented with the girls. Watching the first seconds of Being Boring video, you can see clearly the difference.

The director of all these videos has been accused of sexual abuse by a male model.


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Nickname wrote: Sat 25 Jun 2022, 3:25 pm
Synclavier wrote: Sat 25 Jun 2022, 2:08 pm
We've got both, male and female, models in "Se a vida é" and "Being boring" in next to nothing on, we've got the exotic (again, male and female) dancers on the Discovery tour, we've got many collaborations with female and male artists regardless of how much clothes were the collaborators wearing. I don't see one valid reason to include more female nudity for "equality". That's not Pet Shop Boys' job to do.
It's unfair.

You can't even compare the way male bodies were represented with the girls. Watching the first seconds of Being Boring video, you can see clearly the difference.

The director of all these videos has been accused of sexual abuse by a male model.
I would appreciate it if you responded to my other question as well. Do you "demand" this equality from anyone else you happen to like/follow, regardless of whether the "anyone else" mainly promoted male or female nudity?

I won't even start with the sexual abuse comment. There is no correlation between the presented naked men and the video's director, and you wanting to see more naked women in Pet Shop Boys' work. You're not asking Bruce Weber to shoot more naked women, you want PSB to include more female nudity in their work. Also, you, surely, are aware that shocking things like sexual abuse have also been present at hundreds and again hundreds of video shoots that have involved naked women..? What if you have enjoyed a music video portraying naked women, unaware of the abuse they might've faced on set?

Ridiculous to get stuck on this. Dog said it: the musical is inspired by a piece with only one naked person in it, and that person is a man. You are free to go see other musicals, plays, music videos, with as many naked women as you like.

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#29 Post by Nickname »

It was like I wanted to see naked women on videos from PSB. The real thing is more related to see more equality of nakedness between men and women. Like feminism and gay people want when they see more naked women than men on TV.

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#30 Post by psbnyc »

This is great news - so prolific! Of course, one can hope that they will soon release some of that new music, but it is just amazing that we can still look forward to so much new music from Neil & Chris!

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