Change of plans? Why?

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Change of plans? Why?

#1 Post by Nickname »

I think, PSB are very confortable working with TH and they have good feelings with that. Take a look to this old news:

In the studio - 22 July '05
Neil and Chris are currently working on a new batch of four songs
for their next album with producer Trevor Horn, making a total of
nine tracks. The latest four are described as "more electro--pop"
than the first "epic" five Horn has produced. The Diane Warren
composition, "Numb", originally recorded for the "PopArt"
compilation and produced by Trevor Horn, will also feature on the
new album to be released in Spring, 2006.

As you see, they talk about 10 songs (6 epic and 4 electronic).
After that, they talked about 16 songs (10 produced by Horn, the 10 which ones were going to be included on the album).

Now, take a look:

Back in the studio - 10 September '05
Chris and Neil are now back in the studio with producer Trevor Horn
and aim to complete their new album by November.
Horn is now producing the whole album with Pet Shop Boys and 12 new
songs are being worked on. Mixing of the tracks should commence in
two or three weeks.

They talk about 12. Probably, this ones are going to be part of the album. So it could be a change of plans from 10 to 12, I think. If it is true, probaly it could be because they feel the new album is really GREAT.
Of course it's only an speculation, but you never know. :whistle:

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#2 Post by markus »

Hopefully it's not because the record bosses weren't satisfied with those 10

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markus wrote:Hopefully it's not because the record bosses weren't satisfied with those 10


According to Neil, he is much more than satisfied with the songs.

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#4 Post by dVTB »

Isn't it a normal process? To have 10 songs, then write some more and get to 12 songs? :?

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nickname wrote:
markus wrote:Hopefully it's not because the record bosses weren't satisfied with those 10


According to Neil, he is much more than satisfied with the songs.
Neil is not 'the bosses', Parlophone are.
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#6 Post by madhatter88 »

Zeus On The Loose wrote:
nickname wrote:
markus wrote:Hopefully it's not because the record bosses weren't satisfied with those 10


According to Neil, he is much more than satisfied with the songs.
Neil is not 'the bosses', Parlophone are.
Would anyone at Parlophone have any input into the album though- surely that's down to N&C to decide?

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I think in the olden days N and C did have a great deal of autonomy, however as time has moved on and their commercial star has waned Parlophone have had more of a say and influence, after all N and C can't just turn around and say 'You can't afford to lose us' when looking at their sales in relation to other Parlophone artists, Coldpaly they are not. Wasn't IDGWIAT taken off Release due to Parlophones input, they also vetoed the Release of London as a single in the UK. Their bosses won't have a direct say in what the tracks sound like, but will have a say when it comes to tracklistings, release details, promotion etc
Still waiting to hear the Adam Freeland, Manhattan Clique and Axwell mixes of Integral.

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Parlophone will listen the songs of the album when it is finished, not before that. The only thing Parlophone can do is suggest PSB to include 12 songs but nothing else, at least until the album is finished.

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#9 Post by Nickname »

Emi-parlophone was the first responsible of "It's a sin" like first single of Actually, PSB thought "Heart" was much better. :shock: On the booklet of Actually you can see the final decission was taken by PSB, but they chose "It's a sin" like first single because everyone in Emi told them how wonderful "It's a sin" was.
It's strange how PSB didn't realize the big hit they had created (probably their biggest song of all time or one of the biggest).

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#10 Post by Zeus On The Loose »

madhatter88 wrote:
Zeus On The Loose wrote:
nickname wrote:

According to Neil, he is much more than satisfied with the songs.
Neil is not 'the bosses', Parlophone are.
Would anyone at Parlophone have any input into the album though- surely that's down to N&C to decide?
Well, if at some point they took some songs to Parlophone's A&R team and their reaction was 'We don't think you have a good single and we don't believe an album sounding like that would be marketable, go and write some more songs', I'd say that's input enough.
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#11 Post by Flaffer »

Zeus On The Loose wrote:Well, if at some point they took some songs to Parlophone's A&R team and their reaction was 'We don't think you have a good single and we don't believe an album sounding like that would be marketable, go and write some more songs', I'd say that's input enough.
could explain the fact that they seem to have been writing songs for the next album for such a long period of time
Still waiting to hear the Adam Freeland, Manhattan Clique and Axwell mixes of Integral.

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#12 Post by Acelera »

Indeed. After Release, I think Parlophone will be a little less forgiving. ;)

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Afortunately Trevor Horn is on board to control PSB.

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#14 Post by Eldritch »

Flaffer wrote:I think in the olden days N and C did have a great deal of autonomy, however as time has moved on and their commercial star has waned Parlophone have had more of a say and influence, after all N and C can't just turn around and say 'You can't afford to lose us' when looking at their sales in relation to other Parlophone artists, Coldpaly they are not. Wasn't IDGWIAT taken off Release due to Parlophones input, they also vetoed the Release of London as a single in the UK. Their bosses won't have a direct say in what the tracks sound like, but will have a say when it comes to tracklistings, release details, promotion etc
Or it might be argued, that these days they actually might have a larger artistical autonomy, since Parlo no longer excepts to them to shift millions of albums. Why waste money and effort on a band whose proper albums sell 500 000 – 1 000 000 copies with very little push and won't sell significantly more even with heavy promotion?

Frankly, their autonomy must be very high, since they have during the last five yeaars got the green light for the controversial Release with its "experimental" videos, Closer To Heaven musical, Disco 3 and now Battleship Potemkin.
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#15 Post by jamie1978 »

I think people are running away with a few bizarre assumptions here.

Here is an idea for you, which would seem to make more sense:

They were working on 10 songs. Now they are working on 12. The answer to this mysterious 'riddle'? They wrote two more songs. Not very complicated when you stop and think about it, is it.

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