Actually vs Introspective, choose the best one

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Re: Actually vs Introspective, choose the best one

#31 Post by Markpro »

Introspective.
I still remember the chills i got when i played the album on the day it was released, in my home, alone after work and hearing the opening to Left To My Own Devices...i thought it was the greatest thing i had ever heard, i was a massive superfan by then off course but for me "Devices" was a whole new level which elevated them from pop band to musical genius.
It also the only album i have bought four different versions of, the regular vinyl on release day, the special edition 3x12" not long after, then on CD, then further listening...for the record the only other time i got chills like that from a song was when i heard The Way It Used To be, other songs by other artists have come close but nothing matches "the feels" i got with this tracks (and still get).

Actually is a very good album but is very similar to Please (not surprising as most of the tracks from the albums were written at the same time, it has dated though, One More Chance, Hit Music and Shopping feel old, whereas you have absolute stone cold classics such as It Couldn't Happen Here and It's A Sin with great pop songs such as Heart and the very musically underated I Want To Wake Up.

Introspective has a fantastic flow to it, for me I'm Not Scared is the weakest of the tracks but it still fits in the middle perfectly and In My House was a fantastic bonus at the time, overall i maybe listen to Actually or some tracks from it once or twice a year but there are tracks on Introspective (especially Devices) that i listen to multiple times and even after all these years i have never got bored or lost interest in a single part of it.
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#32 Post by Nickname »

A draw, hehehe. The same happens to me, I don't know which one is the best.

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#33 Post by the8thark »

These are two of my least favourite PSB albums. However I like Introspective the least of these two so I voted for the other - Actually.
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#34 Post by PSBForTheMasses »

I could write a very long post on the merits of both albums but it is ultimately "It Couldn't Happen Here & King's Cross" vs "Left To my Own Devices & I Am Not Scared" tug of war for me.

And in the end, it is the "It Couldn't Happen Here & King's Cross" couple that wins the race. I love Introspective and those two songs to death but nothing beats ICHH and King's Cross for the sheer beauty of melody and infinite sadness...

So my vote is Actually by a very narrow edge.

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#35 Post by TallThinMan »

PSBForTheMasses wrote:
Sun 16 Aug 2020, 10:52 am
I could write a very long post on the merits of both albums but it is ultimately "It Couldn't Happen Here & King's Cross" vs "Left To my Own Devices & I Am Not Scared" tug of war for me.

And in the end, it is the "It Couldn't Happen Here & King's Cross" couple that wins the race. I love Introspective and those two songs to death but nothing beats ICHH and King's Cross for the sheer beauty of melody and infinite sadness...

So my vote is Actually by a very narrow edge.
Odd that you don’t mention “Always On My Mind/In My House” at all after praising “Always On My Mind” so much in the other thread.

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#36 Post by PSBForTheMasses »

TallThinMan wrote:
Sun 16 Aug 2020, 11:22 am
PSBForTheMasses wrote:
Sun 16 Aug 2020, 10:52 am
I could write a very long post on the merits of both albums but it is ultimately "It Couldn't Happen Here & King's Cross" vs "Left To my Own Devices & I Am Not Scared" tug of war for me.

And in the end, it is the "It Couldn't Happen Here & King's Cross" couple that wins the race. I love Introspective and those two songs to death but nothing beats ICHH and King's Cross for the sheer beauty of melody and infinite sadness...

So my vote is Actually by a very narrow edge.
Odd that you don’t mention “Always On My Mind/In My House” at all after praising “Always On My Mind” so much in the other thread.
Yes, that praise was for the single version. I have never been very fond of Introspective version from the very first day I heard it as it takes away the original's (I mean PSB original :)) gigantic energy except for its outing part. They sound two separate songs to me (the fact that I do not like rap and extended remixes of songs may play a thing here). For me, the only remix that gets close to the beauty of the original is Phil Harding remix (and it is very good, indeed).

I also do not like live versions that much. Those muscular synth sounds always seem muffled (sometimes cheap Casio-like sounds) and Neil's voice sounds very thin compared to the cool feeling that grabs me in the studio version. This is especially striking when Brandon and Neil perform it together in The Killer's Glastonbury duet. Though Performance version is outstanding as well.

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#37 Post by Kiran »

Actually, by some distance. Left to My Own Devices (for me) is the best track on either album, but What have I done to deserve this? runs it ragged. If this was a boxing match, Introspective would come out in the first round looking strong, but by round 3, it would be all over as Actually lands blow after blow.
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#38 Post by karnsculpture »

At the time I thought that Introspective was like a follow-up to Disco, but including 2 new tracks. As I'd been following I assumed this was the case because 2 tracks were remixes, 1 was the PSB's version of the Eighth Wonder single, Domino Dancing was already out (and like Suburbia on Disco was represented by its 12" version) and finally you have Devices and It's Alright, a cover version. Only 6 tracks too, like Disco before it. It's fantastic of course but did not seem like a proper album to me. I do wonder if truly, retrospectively they considered it a full album because it took so long to get Behaviour out.

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#39 Post by Shopper »

if the Disco Version of Heart was part of Actually, it would have been near perfection and a close call..but Introspective it is for me!

It's an album I learnt to love, Left to my own devices, I'm not Scared, Domino were immediate and I was seriously scratching my head on I want a Dog at first and I never cared for It's Alright and thought Always on my mind was plodding. Then I went to this inter collegiate festival (we were part of the organizing team) and the DJ played some random tracks and one was It's Alright and to hear it in that auditorium on full volume and esp that part where the beeps layer over each other, I swear I had goosebumps!!

I went back home and listened again on headphones intently and to date it remains my fave PSB album.
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