10 years of Fundamental - Trevor Horn answers questions from forum members

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#61 Post by Greendrake » Sat 23 Feb 2019, 11:35 pm

Drico One wrote:
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a comparison of the Vocal demo to the finished version shows you his genius
Not to question his genius, but do we actually know to what extent the difference between Vocal (demo) and the finished version is made by Stuart Price? I mean PSB could well or even primarily contribute to that.

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#62 Post by Drico One » Sat 23 Feb 2019, 11:57 pm

We don't know definitively. Of course PSB would have contributed to it - at the very least they would approve or disapprove - but we know that the demo was not a Stuart Price production and the album version was a Stuart Price production. I think we can surmise he had at least some impact on what is a bewilderingly good transmogrification of what was an incongruous demo.

Or maybe I'm too generous.

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#63 Post by jasonjohn » Sun 24 Feb 2019, 1:34 am

Main difference between the demo and album mix is replacing the horns with synth stabs.

That suggestion could of come from anyone.

Beyond that, I'd say the demo well lifted its weight. (as a demo)

(Although I'm glad they abandoned to Nightlife-type disco vibe. We probably have Price to thank for that. I love Nightlight, but they don't need to repeat it :)

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#64 Post by Patrick Bateman » Sun 24 Feb 2019, 7:19 am

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Tend to agree with your comments Drico. Listened to the first 15 mins of the show and wondered if Trevor was on the wind up re his links to the boys. Personally I wasn’t sure why on social media was chosen as the lead track on the show, as even though I’m not a big fan of GSaC of the four tracks it feels the most dissonant and thus worthy of critique. I’d prefer TFC above OSM.

Reading again chris’s Excellent interview with Trevor, it does beg the question if Trevor was playing it down to avoid charges of being biased or whether genuinely his memory had faded somewhat.

I remember a long while back when on a similar round table BBC show, they were reviewing Paninaro 1995. They played Girls and Boys instead and got into a tissy whether the boys or the girls should be starting. Guess any airplay these days on the BBC is good for the PSB though. Beggars can’t be choosers.
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#65 Post by Drico One » Sun 24 Feb 2019, 10:01 am

Anyone could come up with any change in the studio. Maybe the cleaner suggested something in passing. However, one reason people employ producers is to create an environment where different ideas and perspectives are possible. Just as we would probably hold a producer accountable (fairly or unfairly) for ruining a demo, I think we have to extend the same courtesy when a demo is radically transformed into something far superior.

In my book, there is just no comparison between the dystopian tension of the Vocal demo and the euphoric freedom of the album track. That's what makes the demo interesting, though - it's a totally different take. I still hate the single mix, mind.

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#66 Post by TwizzleUK » Sun 24 Feb 2019, 10:39 am

Drico One wrote:
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I still hate the single mix, mind
The single mix is the same as the album version. Which version are you thinking of? The radio edit in the video and on the promo CD?

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#67 Post by Drico One » Sun 24 Feb 2019, 11:45 am

Yes, the radio edit.

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#68 Post by daveid » Sun 24 Feb 2019, 12:27 pm

I n my opinion both the demo and the Price version stand equally well in their own right. I also think that of all the previously unreleased demos that we heard on the 2017 FLs both Vocal and Radiophonic are head and shoulders above the rest. Little gems.

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#69 Post by Drico One » Sun 24 Feb 2019, 3:08 pm

I’d argue the Radiophonic demo is superior in some ways to the album version.

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#70 Post by Undertaker » Sun 24 Feb 2019, 3:15 pm

Bright Young Things demo trumps the proper version.

I think the demo of The Loving Kind is better as well. Although both are very good.

Fundamental is their best all round album since Very imo. It still grates me how the album version of Integral wasnt released as the first single. Mental decision.

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#71 Post by daveid » Sun 24 Feb 2019, 10:09 pm

Drico One wrote:
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I’d argue the Radiophonic demo is superior in some ways to the album version.

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#72 Post by onzio » Mon 25 Feb 2019, 12:21 pm

Both Bright Young Things demo and Radiophonic demo are better than the studio version. I'd add Sodom and Gomorrah Show, Flamboyant and Indefinite Leave to Remain.

The first one is simply ready for release, the others should have been properly produced following the style of the demo.

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#73 Post by TwizzleUK » Mon 25 Feb 2019, 2:22 pm

onzio wrote:
Mon 25 Feb 2019, 12:21 pm
Both Bright Young Things demo and Radiophonic demo are better than the studio version. I'd add Sodom and Gomorrah Show, Flamboyant and Indefinite Leave to Remain.

The first one is simply ready for release, the others should have been properly produced following the style of the demo.

IMHO
I prefer the studio versions of all the tracks you mention ('Fundamental' is my favourite PSB album). However, the demo of 'Indefinite Leave To Remain' is a gorgeous alternate take which I'm stunned wasn't included on 'Fundamental' further listening.

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#74 Post by Tom Angel » Mon 25 Feb 2019, 9:17 pm

TwizzleUK wrote:
Mon 25 Feb 2019, 2:22 pm
onzio wrote:
Mon 25 Feb 2019, 12:21 pm
Both Bright Young Things demo and Radiophonic demo are better than the studio version. I'd add Sodom and Gomorrah Show, Flamboyant and Indefinite Leave to Remain.

The first one is simply ready for release, the others should have been properly produced following the style of the demo.

IMHO
I prefer the studio versions of all the tracks you mention ('Fundamental' is my favourite PSB album). However, the demo of 'Indefinite Leave To Remain' is a gorgeous alternate take which I'm stunned wasn't included on 'Fundamental' further listening.
I agree- Indefinite leave to remain demo is definitely superior to the album version. It's stronger somehow. Shame they missed it off -

Missed opportunity - which sounds a LOT like a PSB song.
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#75 Post by York Minster » Tue 26 Feb 2019, 2:19 am

For All Of Us Demo is miles away better than the C2H version.
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