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#1 Post by Actually »

"Call me old fashioned", but i'm not ready to switch to digital download bundles just to get hold of singles. Yes i know i can (& will) order the Cd single of Winner from the OS but am i the only old fashioned git who is already missing the fact that we can no longer by singles from Hmv.
I was in Stratford's Westfield shopping centre (Olympic Park) yesterday and called in the Hmv there with the silly notion of getting my hands on the Winner single. Shop assistant was very helpful in saying " Time to move with the digital age and we don't stock singles anymore because of room.......".
Come on Parlophone, not all of us are digital material, yet.
Or are we ?
Am i old fashioned ?
If so, is there anyone who would like to be old fashioned with me ?
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My local HMV only stocks singles connected to x-facotor or that other talent show.

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#3 Post by retrofuturist »

Greetings Actually,

Well here in Australia, we've been missing out on certain physical UK release singles since the 80s, so to not be able to pick things up at the "local" store has always been the case. There's always been a reliance on (in rough chronological order) mail order, specialised importers, internet stores, eBay, official PSB site. So that side of the coin is nothing new.

Not being able to get PSB tracks in physical format anywhere is a new phenomenon. Over the last 5 or so years, "promo CD singles" have provided an opportunity to fill the void, often at significant cost, but increasingly it's a case of (if you really do want it in physical format) having to do it yourself, based on downloads - legally sourced or otherwise.

It is grim, but as another poster said elsewhere, the fact we can even get the physical Winner EP with three b-sides in this day and age, is something to remain thankful for. If we're not thankful for what we've got, and lament only for that which we can't have, it would be a pretty unfortunate experience of fandom.

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#4 Post by Naughty Zoot »

I'm with you Actually. Hell ~ I've been buying music since the 60s ~ vinyl 45s & 33 1/3 LPs. And listened to my parent's 78s before that.
Then came 8 tracks, tape cassettes & CDs.
And now Dull, Soulless Digital Downloads....
Who knows what's next?
So I guess we'll just have to say Se a Vide é and cherish The way it used to be ....
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#5 Post by Eldritch »

Actually wrote:"Call me old fashioned", but i'm not ready to switch to digital download bundles just to get hold of singles. Yes i know i can (& will) order the Cd single of Winner from the OS but am i the only old fashioned git who is already missing the fact that we can no longer by singles from Hmv.
I was in Stratford's Westfield shopping centre (Olympic Park) yesterday and called in the Hmv there with the silly notion of getting my hands on the Winner single. Shop assistant was very helpful in saying " Time to move with the digital age and we don't stock singles anymore because of room.......".
Come on Parlophone, not all of us are digital material, yet.
Or are we ?
Am i old fashioned ?
If so, is there anyone who would like to be old fashioned with me ?
It's not really Parlophone's fault if HMV refuses to stock singles, is it? The record shops are just as guilty of the current situation as the record companies.
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#6 Post by Bjossi »

There is no inherent difference between CDs and downloadable files, they both contain data. Lossless rips are nearly bit-by-bit identical to the content of the CD equivalent in fact (assuming the rip was successful). CDs are always the source of the files e-retailers offer, they simply decide on what compression codec and settings to use.

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#7 Post by whateverman42 »

I don't understand this way of thinking at all, I never liked the idea of CD singles. And I'm 25, so I grew up with cd's and even cassettes.

Its just, what do you do with a jewel case and full size disc that holds 3 songs? Talk about clutter, plus who wants to go through the motions of putting in a disc for 3 songs, then swapping it for another? This is the best part of the digital age: you can get all the b-sides and mixes that you want and organize them neatly in your digital library. Pop them onto your iPod and you can listen to them all with great ease.

I am a hybrid though, with full albums I still like the physical disc and putting it in my cd player and listening for 50 minutes. So I have an mp3 collection that is separate from my cd collection. For PSB, I have all the b-sides, mixes, and side projects sorted according to era in iTunes. And I have the 10 albums in my cd racks for a better listening experience, reserved for the higher quality stuff.

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#8 Post by York Minster »

The last CD single I bought in the US was, I believe Cherry Blossom Girl by Air..so 2004ish. I think they were fully gone from the stores no matter the artist by 2007/8ish.

If you could get a lossless download for the single, then that would be perfectly acceptable to me. But is that possible?
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#9 Post by themgnt »

Actually wrote: Shop assistant was very helpful in saying " Time to move with the digital age and we don't stock singles anymore because of room.......".
I would have pointed out that their main business is still CD albums and if we all moved to the digital age they'd be out of business.

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#10 Post by coufy »

download only tracks are unreleased tracks for me(, don't know what I have to collect from now...
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#11 Post by herts101 »

Only reason for me to buy CD is to get the lossless file. I rip everything to FLAC then play it digitally. I'm with Whateverman42 that this is a huge step on from the ways of old given the flexibility it offers. Especially with CD singles.

This was really brought home to me the other day with friends round for dinner, and all passing round my Sonos controller, choosing the music for the evening "jukebox style" - including a fair but of PSB from me. CD just can't compete with that enjoyable, fun, and interactive listening experience.

Just need lossless downloads then I'll give up on CDs for good.

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#12 Post by Patrick Bateman »

themgnt wrote:I would have pointed out that their main business is still CD albums and if we all moved to the digital age they'd be out of business.
Precisely. :lol:

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#13 Post by TheGardner »

One thing, I just got as info about the Winner remixes:

There are (currently) NO promo discs planned with/for the "Winner" remixes (digital bundle #2). Means "Winner" probably will be the first PSB single, where you get hold of the remixes "in digital "mp3" quality only! EMI have a "digital wav set" in their archives, which was given to all (who needed) over their internal network services.
My only hope is now Astralwerks, who probably will press some promo discs for their US "Winner" promotion...

Seems, we have to accustom ourselfs to this new stretegies of the companies! The same procedure will happen with the album release! There are currently NO physical "promo" records for Elysium around and neither will happen in the next coming weeks until official release!!!

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#14 Post by tottenhammattspurs »

and they wonder why HMV posted a loss of £34million!!
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#15 Post by Old Soak »

I lament the death of the CD single. HMV and such like are losing money precisely because what they stock is 'safe' and a fraction of what is available by an artist. I used to leave work on a Monday and head straight for my local branch precisely to buy that week's big single release, and whilst I was there mooch around and buy a couple of other things too. Now you are lucky to get a greatest hits and the latest album, which you can pick up from any online site, hence why footfall is down.

MP3's are, and always will be an inferior format precisely because they are 'lossy' due to file compression techniques. They are fine for portability but that's it, if I want portability I'll transfer from my own CD. The laziness of the record companies prefering this method of distribution has two major effects IMO: 1. The death of the b side - singles are now often just that, one track. The boys have always taken pride in their b sides, consistently providing higher than average standards (for the industry in general) and anything which could harm that has to be bad. 2) The very laziness of the record companies will incline SOME users towards illegal downloads, harming their business and artistes precisely because there us no difference between the sound quality of a legal or illegal copy. A classic example of shooting themselves in their own foot. I truly hope that the remixes are released in some physical format, even if it is only a promo. MP3's are a giant step backwards, they are to CD what the cassette was to the album - a cheap, hollow copy.
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