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NY Times article: MASSIVE master tapes loss

#1 Post by Bulldog » Wed 12 Jun 2019, 12:37 am

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Get ready for an absolutely shocking reading. If what's reported is true, it's likely we'll never hear again any trace of unreleased music from dozens of music giants. The Beatles masters are mentioned as safe, but do we know something about the exact state or location of PSB Parlophone masters?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/maga ... yDHMmYtbTo
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#2 Post by leesmapman » Wed 12 Jun 2019, 1:15 am

Seeing as they went through their archives for the Further Listening project, I doubt PSB have a problem. Masters are probably in the UK too.

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#3 Post by Bulldog » Wed 12 Jun 2019, 2:13 am

leesmapman wrote:
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Seeing as they went through their archives for the Further Listening project, I doubt PSB have a problem. Masters are probably in the UK too.
Hopefully PSB do own the masters of their recordings. Having said that, UMG "preservation" methods described in the article are nothing short of shocking for any music lover, and while hoping so it's hard to know if the other two corporations currently ruling the music market (Warner and Sony) manage their vaults in a different, more considerate way. Even though the fire happened in 2008, I'd like to mention that through its turmoil and later demise EMI was sort of split between these three giants, none of which certainly operates for charity.
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#4 Post by Young Offender » Wed 12 Jun 2019, 7:43 am

That was a very long read, read about halfway then skipped to the end.

Here is a UMG rebuttal from a local los angeles news station just posted tonight:

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/06 ... ost-music/
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#5 Post by Sage » Wed 12 Jun 2019, 10:46 am

2008? This isn't even news.
12,733 words and 77,603 characters. A bit self-indulgent for a news article.
I'm not reading it.

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#6 Post by Bulldog » Wed 12 Jun 2019, 11:32 am

Sage wrote:
Wed 12 Jun 2019, 10:46 am
2008? This isn't even news.
12,733 words and 77,603 characters. A bit self-indulgent for a news article.
I'm not reading it.
While there's some slightly off-topic element in the article (like the usual, annoying mediatic uber-reverence towards The Beatles), the core is quite a deal. The author assumes that ever since the fire happened UMG tried to downscale its real consequences. Also this could mean a legal nightmare for UMG, if it's proved that dozens of artists and their heirs were kept in the dark about irremediable loss of their recordings.
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#7 Post by greenmile » Wed 12 Jun 2019, 4:05 pm

Young Offender wrote:
Wed 12 Jun 2019, 7:43 am
That was a very long read, read about halfway then skipped to the end.

Here is a UMG rebuttal from a local los angeles news station just posted tonight:

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/06 ... ost-music/
That's not really clarifying anything. All they're saying is that the fire didn't affect the availability of already released music, which it wouldn't.

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#8 Post by JSDOUVRES » Thu 13 Jun 2019, 11:15 pm

If it happened in 2008 I'm sure Neil and chris would have commented on it by now because they'd certainly be aware of it and it would have had an effect on the Further Listening project as stated by another poster above.

Tragic for music in general though, songs which are lost forever!

I have about 6 external hard drives I use to back all my important stuff on. Although thinking about it a fire would probably ruin all of those! Might hide one in the car or something!

Just shows that nothing is truly safe!

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#9 Post by themgnt » Fri 14 Jun 2019, 3:52 am

JSDOUVRES wrote:
Thu 13 Jun 2019, 11:15 pm
I have about 6 external hard drives I use to back all my important stuff on. Although thinking about it a fire would probably ruin all of those! Might hide one in the car or something!

Just shows that nothing is truly safe!
I take one to work and stick it in the desk drawer.

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#10 Post by JSDOUVRES » Fri 14 Jun 2019, 10:02 pm

themgnt wrote:
Fri 14 Jun 2019, 3:52 am
JSDOUVRES wrote:
Thu 13 Jun 2019, 11:15 pm
I have about 6 external hard drives I use to back all my important stuff on. Although thinking about it a fire would probably ruin all of those! Might hide one in the car or something!

Just shows that nothing is truly safe!
I take one to work and stick it in the desk drawer.
I'm self-employed and work at home! Car it is!

Good idea though!

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#11 Post by karnsculpture » Sat 15 Jun 2019, 8:07 pm

The NY Times article is important to many of the artists or relatives of artists potentially impacted because the music and other material lost in the fire was allegedly underestimated at the time. There have been similar examples in the UK, such as Virgin which stored some masters in less than optimal conditions so some tapes were allegedly water damaged.

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#12 Post by Bulldog » Sun 16 Jun 2019, 12:18 am

karnsculpture wrote:
Sat 15 Jun 2019, 8:07 pm
The NY Times article is important to many of the artists or relatives of artists potentially impacted because the music and other material lost in the fire was allegedly underestimated at the time. There have been similar examples in the UK, such as Virgin which stored some masters in less than optimal conditions so some tapes were allegedly water damaged.
The story about Motown tapes nearly being destroyed by falling pallets of mayo is beyond grotesque...
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#13 Post by Piotrek » Sat 22 Jun 2019, 9:46 am

You think that's bad? That was an accident.
Read this blood curling article, and you will see how the music industry has treated their art over the decades.
http://www.billholland.net/words/Labels ... oblems.pdf

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